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The Chandrian May Be Former Amyr Acting for the Greater Good

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The Chandrian could be ex-Amyr erasing their own traces for some larger benefit, recasting them as the good guys.

About: The Chandrian, The Amyr

Also involves: Haliax, Cinder, Selitos

The theory§

This theory recasts the Chandrian as former Amyr who now systematically erase all record of their own existence in service of some larger, hidden purpose, making them secret benefactors rather than villains. The shared scarcity of evidence about both groups is offered as a hint that they share an origin. The reading runs hard against the established history: the rupture between Lanre and Selitos that ends in Lanre's transformation into Haliax predates the Amyr's formation, so the Chandrian cannot simply be Amyr who 'turned.' Haliax's own words undercut it further, since he names the Amyr among the forces he protects the Chandrian from, marking the two as enemies rather than kin. A softer version survives: that Haliax in particular seeks to erase every record and memory of himself so that, no longer bound by his ever-living legend, he can finally rest behind the doors of stone, sleep, and madness alike.

Evidence§

  • What if the Chandrian need to extinguish all traces of their existence for some larger benefit? If they were former Amyr somehow, it could explain why there is little evidence of either around.
    OP's core claim: shared scarcity of evidence hints Chandrian are ex-Amyr acting for a larger benefit. — u/Creativename18
  • I say “former” because I know Haliax tells them he keeps them safe from Amyr.
    OP pre-empts the obvious objection by framing them as 'former' Amyr. — u/Creativename18
  • Main problem is people think that the lanre/selitos split is the split of amyr Chandrian and that occurs before formation of the Amyr IIRC
    CounterCounter: the Lanre/Selitos rupture predates the Amyr, so Chandrian cannot be 'turned' Amyr. — u/BraedonElDio
  • Cinder is openly sadistic early in the first book. "The Chandrian are the good guys" has always been a crazy idea to me. "The Amyr are NOT good guys" is a much better theory.
    CounterCounter: textual sadism undermines the 'good guys' premise; inverts which group is suspect. — u/Kalix_
  • Why do we assume the Chandrian are eliminating information about the Chandrian? The Amyr are responsible for plenty of atrocious things. They benefit a lot from people forgetting or mixing up history and facts, it helps them stay hidden.
    CounterRefines: the censorship may be Amyr-driven, not Chandrian self-erasure. — u/Smooga22
  • Haliax forms chandrian to serve his goal (end his legend and die).
    Reframes motive: Haliax purges knowledge to end his ever-living legend, not for altruism. — u/DrSpughetti
  • I have a vague theory that the Chandrian, or at least Haliax, need to erase all record and memory of themselves to have peace.
    Softer surviving version: erasure is about Haliax seeking rest, not the greater good. — u/Liesmith424
  • We also have a story about how Haliax changed his name to make it so that no door can bar his passage: not the doors of stone, the door of madness, nor the door of sleep. My suspicion is that he seeks to create a situation where he *can* finally rest, regardless of how much destruction that requires.
    Supports the rest-seeking reading: erasure aims at passing the doors of stone, madness, sleep. — u/Liesmith424

Book refs: NOTW, WMF

Tier reasoning§

tier verified: timeline contradicts the premise per commenters, fringe holds

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