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The Cthaeh Steered Kvothe to the Adem Just to Make Him Bathe Daily

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The Cthaeh's subtle aim in sending Kvothe to Ademre was a daily-bathing habit that later cost him the Maer's aid.

About: The Cthaeh, Kvothe, Ademre

Also involves: The Adem, Maer Lerand Alveron, Meluan Lackless, The Chandrian

The theory§

The Cthaeh foresees and steers events with surgical subtlety, and this theory suggests its purpose in sending Kvothe to Ademre went beyond furnishing him the Chandrian's names: it was to instill the habit of daily bathing. Among the Adem, Kvothe learns not to live like a barbarian and grows fastidious about cleanliness. Later, when the Maer summons him, Kvothe delays in order to wash off the road, having felt too dirty to appear at court, a delay that contributes to the rift which costs him Alveron's help in hunting the Amyr. An extension notes that the same delay ensured Meluan Lackless was present when Kvothe revealed the false troupe, guaranteeing the falling-out. The strongest objection is mundane: anyone wants to wash after weeks of travel, the Maer largely forgave the delay, and the true break came from the altercation with Meluan, not the bath.

Evidence§

  • obviously he needed to know the names of the Chandrian for book 3 stuff, but what if it was even simpler and more subtle than that? Kvothe learned not to be a barbarian from them, and to bathe daily.
    OP's core claim: the Cthaeh's subtle real aim in sending Kvothe to Ademre was the bathing habit. — u/VSkyRimWalker
  • One if the reasons he fell out with the Maer, and thus didn't get his assistance in locating the Amyr, was because he refused the Maer's request to meet because he felt dirty and wanted to bathe first.
    Links the bathing habit to the consequential delay and the lost Amyr-hunting aid. — u/VSkyRimWalker
  • What if, whiteout going to Ademre, this wouldn't even have crossed his mind, as he's been on the road for long stretches before without it bothering him.
    Argues the habit was newly acquired, since travel-grime never bothered him before Ademre. — u/VSkyRimWalker
  • it really exemplifies the kind of subtle effects the Cthae’s words would have on someone.
    Commenter affirms the theory fits the Cthaeh's known surgical subtlety. — u/PeaRepresentative716
  • if Kvothe had met with the maer rather than bathing, he may have been able to discuss it without Meluan’s presence. … maybe the bath ensured that Meluan would be present when Kvothe talked about the false Ruh, thus ensuring that he would have to leave the maer’s service.
    Extension: the bath-delay guaranteed Meluan's presence, locking in the falling-out. — u/PeaRepresentative716
  • You ever gone on a long haul flight? … Can’t imagine walking for weeks then arriving and NOT wanting to immediately get in a bath.
    CounterCounter: wanting to wash after long travel is mundane, not a Cthaeh-implanted habit. — u/TecTwo
  • his delay in attending the Maer was basically forgiven anyway. Kvothe didn’t get the Maer’s assistance because of the altercation with Meluan.
    CounterCounter: the delay was forgiven; the real break was the Meluan altercation, not the bath. — u/TecTwo
  • The entire 'and thus I learned that when the Maer calls one does not keep him waiting' or however it goes, is simply an 'author information pass'.
    CounterCounter: the passage is just authorial signposting, not evidence of a Cthaeh scheme. — u/Saintly-NightSoil

Book refs: WMF

Tier reasoning§

tier confirmed: falsifiable claim about Cthaeh manipulation, highly speculative

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