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The Adem and Their Lethani May Be Connected to the Amyr's Greater Good

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The Adem's Lethani mirrors the Amyr's greater-good ethic, and both know the Chandrian are real, hinting at a shared origin.

About: The Adem, The Amyr, The Lethani

Also involves: The Chandrian, Shehyn, Kvothe, Selitos

The theory§

This theory connects the Adem to the Amyr, observing that the Lethani sanctions seemingly unethical acts when they serve the good of Ademre, much as the Amyr commit dark deeds for a greater good, and that the Adem are among the few peoples who know the Chandrian are real. Shehyn appears quietly pleased when Kvothe declares he wishes to kill the Chandrian, and the Adem's reverence for hidden 'deep names' such as Maedre hints at a lost grasp of Naming that the original Amyr might also have possessed. The stronger objection is that the two ethics are opposites rather than kin: the Amyr's greater good is a rigid, consequentialist calculus, while the Lethani is a fluid, nuanced path with firm moral limits. Tempi establishes that troubling the dead is never of the Lethani, a hard boundary the consequentialist Amyr would not recognise. A softer version survives, in which the Adem are not Amyr but carry principles inherited from a shared distant origin, perhaps tied to the swords that endure for impossibly long spans.

Evidence§

  • The Adem follow the Lethani that shows the right thing, similar to the Amyr acting for greater good. Some things, even seemingly unethical things, are of the Lethani if they are for the good of Adem
    OP's core claim: Lethani mirrors the Amyr's greater-good ethic. — u/Alpacalypsenoww
  • The Adem are one of the only known societies that know that the chandrian are real. Shehyn seemed pleased that Kvothe wanted to kill the chandrian.
    OP's second claim: shared knowledge of the Chandrian and approval of killing them. — u/Alpacalypsenoww
  • It could be that some Amyr and Edema Ruh got together and created the A-dem. The name sounds like both names and it could explain why they are so similar yet so very different from the Edema Ruh.
    Adds origin mechanism: name and similarities suggest mixed Amyr ancestry. — u/Ok-Study-1153
  • are the adem and Amyr connected, likely and my guess is the origins of the swords that last a redicilously long time have something to do with that connection.
    Refines link to the impossibly long-lasting Adem swords. — u/RTooDeeTo
  • They may have a prophecy that one day someone would come to break the tree and free the Cthaeh. … did he look to the Adem like one of the Ciridae?
    Adds prophecy and Ciridae parallels tying Adem reactions to Amyr lore. — u/PA55w0rdSkept1c
  • I've noticed they also have a grasp of naming, if the importance they place on their "deep names" (like Maedre for Kvothe) are any indicator
    Adds Naming evidence via reverence for deep names like Maedre. — u/No-BrowEntertainment
  • We know from Tempi, that for example troubling the dead bodies is not the lethani, and that the lethani has a strong moral aspects, so I Don't think they could be the same faction. The greater good lets the amyr do anithyng to reach it. And there are things wich are not the lethani
    CounterCounter: Lethani has firm moral limits the consequentialist Amyr lack. — u/LordLenis
  • They could also share a common distant origin, but grow very, sometimes tragically, differently.
    Softer reconciliation: shared distant origin rather than identity. — u/coglapis

Book refs: WMF

Tier reasoning§

distinct theory; thematic parallel countered in-thread, fringe fits

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