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Bast's Father Remmen May Be the Fae Who Slew a Wielder of Caesura

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Bast is 'son of Remmen', and 'gremmen' slew Finol, a Caesura-wielder, at Drossen Tor — maybe no coincidence.

About: Remmen, Bast, Caesura

Also involves: The Creation War, Drossen Tor

The theory§

When Kvothe formally introduces Bast to Chronicler, he names him 'Bastas, son of Remmen, Prince of Twilight and the Telwyth Mael.' In the history of Kvothe's sword Caesura, the tale records that 'Finol of the clear and shining eye, much beloved of Dulcen,' slew two daruna before being killed by 'gremmen' at the Drossen Tor during the Creation War. This theory leans entirely on the phonetic nearness of 'Remmen' and 'gremmen' to propose that Bast's father was among the creatures that slew a wielder of Caesura, tying Bast's lineage to the sword Kvothe now carries and perhaps to Bast's interest in him. The reading is treated as fringe and meets firm objection: 'gremmen' reads as a generic class of monster akin to orcs or goblins rather than a proper name, and Remmen is independently depicted in the card-game art as a distinct male Fae figure, so the resemblance is most likely coincidence.

Evidence§

  • so Bast is "Bastas, Son of **Remmen**, Prince of Twilight and the Telwyth Mael".
    OP establishes Bast's father is named Remmen. — u/DerDaGeht
  • In the story of Kvothe's sword, we learn: "Next came Finol of the clear and shining eye, much beloved of Dulcen. She herself slew two daruna, then was killed by **gremmen** at the Drossen Tor."
    OP links Caesura's history: a wielder slain by 'gremmen'. — u/DerDaGeht
  • Coincidence?!
    OP's core inference: Remmen/gremmen phonetic nearness implies connection. — u/DerDaGeht
  • It would make an interesting connection to help expand on Bast's interest in Kvothe
    Comment ties the theory to Bast's motivation toward Kvothe. — u/Any_Satisfaction_405
  • Bast is a double agent getting kvother to lower his guard so he can steal caesura. lmao very fun theory .
    Comment extends theory into a motive involving the sword. — u/AzureDreamer
  • I always took gremmen to mean some type of common monster of the type akin to orc or goblin.
    CounterCounter: 'gremmen' is a generic monster class, not a name. — u/J4pes
  • In the same way it's called ground because the Earth is round.
    CounterCounter: dismisses the resemblance as meaningless coincidence. — u/aerojockey

Book refs: WMF

Tier reasoning§

distinct theory; fringe correct, rests on a phonetic coincidence

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