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The Cthaeh Is Encanis and Cinder Is a Fallen, Transformed Tehlu

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Trapis's Tehlu myth secretly encodes the Cthaeh: Encanis is the tree-bound Cthaeh, and Tehlu became Cinder after speaking to him.

About: The Cthaeh, Cinder, Encanis

Also involves: Tehlu, Trapis, Bast, Felurian, The Chandrian, Haliax, Skarpi

The theory§

This theory reads Trapis's tale of Tehlu and Encanis as a distorted record of the Cthaeh, with the demon Encanis standing in for the tree-bound oracle. Encanis is described as having a voice 'like a piercing knife in the minds of men' and as one who drives men to madness, poisons water, and turns men against each other, paralleling Felurian's account that the Cthaeh wounds with truth and that every tragedy in living memory can be traced to those who spoke with it. The tale's climax, in which Tehlu forges an iron wheel, binds Encanis to it, and sets the wheel against a tree, is taken as a coded image of the Cthaeh's imprisonment in its tree by the Sithe. The theory's further leap holds that Tehlu, having confronted the Cthaeh, is himself transformed into the Chandrian Cinder, leaning on the shared imagery of iron-black eyes, ash and grey, and the 'bad turn' the Cthaeh claims Cinder once did it. The reasoning weakens at the iron wheel, which is given too much narrative weight to be pure misdirection, and at the figure of Tehlu, who is more plausibly a church-merged composite into which Cinder is only one of several originals folded.

Evidence§

  • Felurian claims that Cthaeh doesnt lie, Cthaeh hurts with the truth driving people mad. … Bast tells Kvothe that Cthaeh brings tragedy to the world, anyone who attempts to speak to him, is killed by the Sithe.
    Establishes the Cthaeh's defining traits: truth that maddens and tragedy that follows contact. — u/NocheLunaar
  • Encanis whose voice was like a piercing knife in the minds of men" (nice way to say that he drives men mad) "Encanis who destroy farms, poison the water, made men kill each other, and take their children out of their beds at night" Encanis sounds a lot like Cthaeh huh.
    Core parallel: Encanis's madness and tragedy mirror the Cthaeh's described effects. — u/NocheLunaar
  • Tehlu chains Encanis to the Iron Wheel, the wheel impedes the lies of Encanis, and Tehlu put the Wheel against a tree (yeah right?, Cthaeh is in/on a tree)
    Reads the wheel-against-a-tree binding as a coded image of the Cthaeh's tree imprisonment. — u/NocheLunaar
  • Cthaeh claims "Why you dont find Cinder? Its interesting, one might think that a man with eyes as black as coal would leave a trail even if he stops for a drink" Tehlu in the form of Menda is described with "Eyes black as Iron"
    Shared black-eyes imagery links Cinder to Tehlu/Menda, supporting the identity leap. — u/NocheLunaar
  • Thats the reason why when Marten starts to pray in the bandit camp, everytime he says "Tehlu" Cinder moves his head as if he was hearing something.
    Cinder reacting to Tehlu's name offered as in-text evidence the two are one. — u/NocheLunaar
  • Tehlu chased and Encanis fled. … Finally he was so close he felt the chill of Encanis’ passing and could spy places where he had set his hands and feet, for they were marked with a cold, black frost. … I took this to be the bad turn the Cthaeh is talking about. That Cinder took some part in leading Tehlu to the Cthaeh, thus leading to its capture.
    Comment refines the chain: Cinder's 'wrong turn' was luring Tehlu to capture the Cthaeh. — u/futremaline
  • doesn’t the Ctheah say, “Maybe he did me a wrong turn once.” Or something to that effect? Like, “maybe” implies it could be false without being a lie.
    CounterCounter: the 'wrong turn' line is hedged with 'maybe', weakening the Cinder link. — u/DylanStarks
  • it seems a bit odd to draw so much attention to the iron wheel only to have it be misdirection. Also, remember that haliax was wearing black iron scales, which fits with the over all theme of trapis Tehlu story being about lanre and haliax.
    CounterCounter: the iron wheel carries too much weight to be misdirection; story may be about Haliax. — u/TheLastSock

Book refs: NOTW, WMF

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