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Rhinna, Rhinta and Rhintae Share a Root Tying the Cthaeh's Flower to the Chandrian

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The near-identical words Rhinna, Rhinta and Rhintae may share a root linking the Cthaeh's flower to the corrupted Chandrian.

About: The Cthaeh, The Chandrian

Also involves: The Adem, The Fae, Cinder, Haliax, Naming

The theory§

This theory observes that three near-identical words across the books are unlikely to be coincidence: Rhinna, the name of the Cthaeh's flower; Rhinta, the Adem word for the Chandrian, glossed as 'something evil in the shape of a man'; and Rhintae, a word the skin-dancer demands of Kvothe at the Waystone. It proposes a shared root binding the Cthaeh's flower to the corrupted Chandrian, such that to become Rhinta is to be tainted by contact with the Cthaeh, perhaps at the cost of part of one's name or self. One development casts the rhinna flower as a panacea whose users trade their humanity for power, becoming the rhinta, and wonders whether Cinder paid this price, citing his abnormal black eyes against Felurian's fear that the Cthaeh's touch had likewise marked Kvothe. The skin-dancer's cry 'Te aithiyn Seathaloi? Te Rhintae?' is read as 'Are you Cthaeh-bitten? Are you a Shaped-One?' A caution holds that Rhinta is simply the Adem name for the seven, and that many have spoken to the Cthaeh without becoming Rhinta.

Evidence§

  • what is the most important flower in this world. I would say the Ctheahs flower. Aka the Rhinna flower … Because we have heard almost that same word multiple times thru the story. The adem name for the chandrian. The Rhinta When the skin dancer comes to kvothes inn, it says the word Rhintae
    OP's core observation: three near-identical words appear across the books. — u/Housebread
  • So we have these 3 words that look similar and have at least a loose connection established before any speculation is done. Rhinna is a fae word involving the ctheah Rhinta is a word describing people who have spoken with the ctheah directly or work directly under someone who has (heliax) Rhintae is a fae word spoken by those who live in the evil side of fairy land
    OP establishes a loose pre-existing connection linking the three words to the Cthaeh. — u/Housebread
  • the word they use to describe the chandrian is extemely similar to Rhinna for a reason. That reason could be a mistranslation, but that seems unlikely, as it would imply the Adem have been calling the chandrian flowers for centuries. So what if it isnt a mistranslation, or a coincidence.
    OP rules out coincidence or mistranslation, arguing for a shared root. — u/Housebread
  • To the Adem Rhinta means "something evil in the shape of a man." The chandrian are also described as "men who are more than men but less than men."
    OP links Rhinta's gloss to the Chandrian's described nature. — u/Housebread
  • "Te aithiyn seathaloi?" He demanded "Te Rhintae?" … It was demanding an answer from kvothe, and said a word that sounds *SUSPICIOUSLY* like Rhinta.
    OP ties the skin-dancer's cry Rhintae directly back to Rhinta. — u/Housebread
  • The tale of the rhinna flower is derived from the idea that the ctheah can give you the information you want (the panacea), but acting on it won't turn out. Those who engage in this folly, give up something of themselves to the ctheah in return. They become less human, but more powerful. They are the rhinta.
    Refines theory: rhinna users trade humanity for power, becoming rhinta. — u/TheLastSock
  • I often wonder if cinder hasn't done this, his eyes are black, abnormal, like felurian is worried kvothes might be after his encounter.
    Adds evidence: Cinder's abnormal black eyes echo Felurian's fear for Kvothe. — u/TheLastSock
  • “(Are) You Ctheah-bitten?” He demanded, “(Are) You (a) Shaped-One?”
    Proposes translation reading the skin-dancer's cry as Cthaeh-bitten / Shaped-One. — u/Aasher_Gellan
  • That's not what the word rhinta means. It's just their name for the 7. Many have spoken to the creature and not become rhinta.
    CounterCounter: Rhinta is merely the Adem name for the seven; talking to the Cthaeh isn't enough. — u/ViIehunter
  • The Rhinna flower could actual be a product of the Sithe as it is their tree that they are using to imprison the Cthaeh. The tree is not the Cthaeh nor is it his(her more likely) property
    CounterCounter: the flower may belong to the Sithe's prison-tree, not the Cthaeh. — u/Ragnanicci

Book refs: NOTW, WMF

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plausible confirmed: real lexical parallels with authorial hint

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