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Count Threpe Secretly Conspires with Ambrose Against Kvothe

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Threpe is in league with Ambrose, feeding him news of Kvothe and steering him into danger.

About: Count Threpe, Ambrose Jakis

Also involves: Kvothe, Simmon, Elodin, Maer Lerand Alveron

The theory§

This theory casts Count Threpe as a secret agent of Ambrose Jakis, feeding him information about Kvothe and steering him toward harm, and reads Threpe as the betrayal Kote alludes to. Its supports are circumstantial: Threpe tracked Kvothe's travels more closely than expected and assumed the worst when his ship went missing; news of the ship being reported all hands lost reached Ambrose; a dark-haired, pinch-faced man shadows Kvothe on the bridge and at the dock; and Threpe's anxious parting words invoke 'the anger of a gentle man,' read as a play on 'gentleman.' Against the theory, Threpe co-wrote the Jackass, Jackass song that publicly mocked Ambrose, an insult Ambrose is unlikely to forgive, and he genuinely arranged Kvothe's patronage with the Maer Alveron, a powerful noble whose line stands ahead of the Jakis family. Had Threpe meant only to deliver Kvothe to his enemies, he could have refused to help at all or faked the Alveron introduction rather than securing a real one. A softer variant holds that Threpe is a sincere ally later coerced into a double agent after Ambrose buys his debts and exploits his overspending on the arts.

Evidence§

  • It seems Threpe had been keeping closer tabs on my travels than I’d thought. Consequently, when my ship had gone missing, he’d assumed the worst. / yeah sure he assummmedddd
    OP's core claim: Threpe tracked Kvothe's travels closely and suspiciously assumed the worst. — u/MertSaruhan
  • It was a man with dark hair and a pinched face. He watched us from the corner of his eye without turning his head, and as he walked behind us I tried not to think how easy it would be for him to push me off the bridge.
    OP cites a pinch-faced man shadowing Kvothe, read as a threat steered by the conspiracy. — u/MertSaruhan
  • “Remember: There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” … Threpe is absolutely working wih Ambrose
    OP reads Threpe's anxious parting epigram as a coded warning tying him to Ambrose. — u/MertSaruhan
  • The ship was reported as all hands lost,” Sim said. “Word spread around the Eolian and guess who heard the news.” “Stanchion?” I asked, knowing he was a terrible gossip. Sim shook his head grimly. “Ambrose.”
    OP adds that news of the lost ship reached Ambrose specifically, implying a pipeline. — u/MertSaruhan
  • and the anger of a gentle man.” He is not a gentle man at all, but it could be a play on "gentleman" … (in the UK) a man of noble birth attached to a royal household.
    Comment refines the epigram clue: 'gentle man' as a pun on noble-born 'gentleman' (Ambrose). — u/ShortButHigh
  • Kvothe never seems to verify threpe is trying to find him a patron.
    Counter-refinement: nobody confirms Threpe's patronage efforts are genuine. — u/TheLastSock
  • he helped write the Jackass song and Ambrose doesn’t seem the type who would let that go … he really did set up a patron situation with an extremely powerful noble who is potentially a rival of Ambrose’ family … If the plan was to kill him, Threpe could have faked the whole thing with Alveron rather than actually gone to the trouble.
    CounterCounter: Threpe mocked Ambrose publicly and arranged a real rival patron he could have faked. — u/locke0479
  • Maybe Threpe was genuinely on Kvothe's side until Ambrose buys his debts and controls Threpe as a double agent? That could help explain away the Jackass Jackass song. … used debt or something similar to turn him into a bad actor.
    Softer variant reconciling counters: Threpe a sincere ally later coerced via debt into a double agent. — u/bio_datum

Book refs: WMF

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circumstantial, strongly countered; fringe correct

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