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Caesura May Once Have Belonged to Lyra, the Lost Love of Lanre

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Caesura's recited history names Finol, killed at Drossen Tor, possibly the true Adem name for Lyra.

About: Caesura, Lyra

Also involves: Haliax, Pale Alaxel, The Adem, The Creation War, Grey Dalcenti

The theory§

In the recited lineage of the sword Caesura, which the Adem require Kvothe to memorise, a woman named Finol 'of the clear and shining eye, much beloved of Dulcen' slays two daruna and is then killed by gremmen at the Blac of Drossen Tor. This theory proposes that Finol is the true (or Adem) name of Lyra and Dulcen that of Lanre, on the model of Alaxel being the deeper name of Haliax, which would mean Caesura once belonged to Lyra, the lost love of Lanre. The strongest objection is chronological and factual: Skarpi's account has Lyra survive the Blac of Drossen Tor and die only later, and has her fight with Naming rather than a sword, while Lanre claimed her death was on his own hands, so a battlefield death by gremmen contradicts the known story. The detail that Kvothe omits at least one name-verse before Finol is read as the sword's history deliberately concealing significant figures. More cautiously, the verse is valuable chiefly because it fixes Drossen Tor as a chronological anchor: Caesura passed through roughly thirty owners after that battle, letting the time since Lanre's fall be estimated.

Evidence§

  • The battle where Lanre died and came alive and later became Haliax after Lyra died was fought at Drossen Tor, according to Skarpi story according to Kvothe.
    OP anchors the theory to Drossen Tor, the battle tied to Lanre and Lyra. — u/polluxofearth
  • "Next came **Finol** of the clear and shining eye," I repeated attentively. "Much beloved of **Dulcen**. **She** herself slew two daruna, then was killed by gremmen at the Drossen Tor."
    Core textual evidence: Caesura's history names Finol, beloved of Dulcen, killed at Drossen Tor. — u/polluxofearth
  • So is it possible that Finol could be the real name of Lyra; and Dulcen the real name of Lanre; just as Alaxel is the real name of Haliax; or at least Ademre name? And that Caesura once belonged to the very Lyra much beloved of Lanre?
    OP's central claim: Finol/Dulcen are Adem names for Lyra/Lanre, on the Alaxel/Haliax model. — u/polluxofearth
  • the fact that this part of sword's history is important piece for our story is that Kovthe omits at least one name-verse before Finol.
    OP reads the omitted verse as deliberate concealment of significant figures. — u/polluxofearth
  • That sure sounds like she was an accomplished namer, like Lyra. At least an E'lir.
    Comment refines: 'clear and shining eye' suggests Finol was a namer like Lyra. — u/Pengusagustus
  • they're stated as being of the *'clear and shining eye'* Like the people of Ademre, where as Jax/Iax is stated to be *'of the dark and changing eye,'*
    Comment links the epithet to Adem phrasing, contrasting Iax's 'dark and changing eye.' — u/Chaxum
  • Lyra survived the Blac of Drossen Tor, so if she is the same person as Finol the information in the Atas is wrong … Lyra fought with naming magic, and probably killed more than two daruna in that battle. … Lyra was more likely than not killed by Lanre (he claimed her death was on his hands).
    CounterStrongest counter: Lyra survived Drossen Tor, fought with Naming, and was killed by Lanre. — u/aerojockey
  • I think the point of mentioning Finol here is that it refers to the battle of Drossen Tor, which gives us a chronological point of reference. … That was thirty or so owners before the battle of Drossen Tor.
    CounterCounter-context: the verse's real value is fixing Drossen Tor as a chronological anchor. — u/elihu

Book refs: NOTW, WMF

Tier reasoning§

fringe confirmed: identification contradicted by Lyra surviving Drossen Tor

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