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The Edema Ruh and the Adem Descend from One People Scattered by the Creation War

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Edema Ruh and Ademre share an etymological root and a common origin, possibly Myr Tariniel.

About: Edema Ruh, The Adem

Also involves: Ademre, Vashet, Myr Tariniel, The Creation War, The Amyr, Selitos, Skarpi

The theory§

The Edema Ruh and the Adem of Ademre are read as two fragments of a single ancient people, sundered in the deep past and grown into opposites. The names themselves carry the argument: collapse 'Edema Ruh' into one word and shift its first vowel, and 'Ademaruh' stands very close to 'Ademre.' Both peoples carry a memory of being driven from a homeland and a present condition of being resented wherever they wander. The split is read as a division of inheritance — the Ruh keeping music and performance, the Adem keeping the Lethani and the fighting arts and casting music aside — with a third fragment, the Namers and arcanists of the University, holding the lost art of power. In the deep past one people 'sang songs of power and fought as well as the Ademre do,' wielding all three arts at once; the modern peoples each hold only a shard. The proposed origin is Myr Tariniel or the broader scattering of survivors after the Creation War, with the first human Amyr possibly springing from the same stock.

Evidence§

  • my theory that Ademre and Edema Ruh stem from the same word, and hence the same people.
    OP's core claim: shared name implies shared people. — u/9YearOldSergantJames
  • If we simply change the first vowel of Edema Ruh to A and make it into one word, we see how similar Ademaruh and Ademre are. Considering Pat's etymological abilities I find this highly likely.
    Etymological argument: the names converge with a small vowel shift. — u/9YearOldSergantJames
  • the Adem were: "upheaved from our rightful place. Something that we cannot remember drove us out. Someone stole our land or ruined it or made us flee in fear." … She also tells of how the Adem were rejected and resented wherever they went which seems a rather obvious parallel to the current existence of the Ruh.
    Both peoples share a driven-out homeland and resentment, paralleling the Ruh. — u/9YearOldSergantJames
  • It makes sense that if all the musicians and performers left the Adem people, that their culture would contain a lack thereof, and the same goes for the Edema and violence.
    The split as a division of inheritance: music to Ruh, fighting to Adem. — u/9YearOldSergantJames
  • considering the fact that we a few chapters later learn that the Adem carry a story of Myr Tariniel's destruction, I actually find it rather plausible that the Adem, and possibly the Edema Ruh, stem from Myr Tariniel or the last city that was spared, and were forced to flee due to the Creation War.
    Proposes Myr Tariniel / Creation War as the shared origin point. — u/9YearOldSergantJames
  • The University has magic, but not music or fighting. … The Adem have fighting, but not music or magic. … The Edema have music, but not fighting or magic. … the ancients had all three. "They **sang** songs of **power** and **fought** as well as Ademre do"
    Refines into three fragments; ancients wielded all three arts at once. — u/chainsawx72
  • the word 'demos' which means people. Ademos = absent people/anti people/ or no longer people. Edemos = excluded people. … But I wouldn't assume they were once the same people, unless you consider that at that time all people were the same people.
    CounterCounter: shared root may just be 'people', not one ancestral nation. — u/Ragnanicci
  • I think Pat actually cleverly tricked us in to believing this 'fact' … I think Pat intentionally set up a '**Mandela effect**' … while I do not think the evidence is strong enough to say they were the same people, I did notice an interesting little similarity in their histories
    CounterCounter: parallel may be authorial misdirection; histories similar but not proof. — u/mayotte2048

Book refs: WMF

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distinct theory; etymological + cultural parallels make plausible appropriate

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