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Lyra, Rethe and the Cthaeh May All Be the Same Being

fringe identity · popularity 87 · 1 source thread

Lyra became the Cthaeh after Lanre's resurrection, linking her to Rethe and to the tragedies she set in motion.

About: Lyra, The Cthaeh, Rethe

Also involves: Haliax, Selitos, The Creation War, Iax, Naming, Felurian, Shaping, Aethe

The theory§

This theory proposes that Lyra, the Adem poet Rethe, and the tree-bound Cthaeh are a single being. It leans on the recurring pattern of paired names in the Chronicle (Lanre and Lyra, Aethe and Rethe, Sir Savien and Aloine, Denna and Denner) and on the fact that Lyra commands Naming as deeply as Selitos, the same near-total mastery the Cthaeh displays. Rethe's name carries the sense of terrible, dreadful and cruel, echoing Skarpi's description of Lyra as terrible as well as wise. The reasoning runs that when Lanre tried to drag Lyra back across death, she was transformed and bound into the tree as the immortal Cthaeh, becoming the malevolent shaper whose foreknowledge set Lanre on the road to becoming Haliax and ignited the wider tragedy. The chief obstacle is motive: nothing in Lyra's known goals explains the Cthaeh's gleeful, universal malice, and the dominant competing identification names Selitos One-Eye as the Cthaeh.

Evidence§

  • I believe that the “turn” of Lanre can be attributed to Lyra. She had a deep knowing and understanding of names, as deep as Selitos.
    OP's core claim: Lyra caused Lanre's turn and her Naming rivals Selitos. — u/scottiebbbb
  • we see a theme of name relationships throughout the book. Denna and Denner. Adem and Adema. Lyra and Lanre. Aethe and Rethe.
    OP grounds theory in the recurring paired-name pattern across the Chronicle. — u/scottiebbbb
  • Rethe’s name can mean terrible, dreadful and also cruel. Skarpi’s story describes Lyra as terrible.
    Name meanings link Rethe and Lyra via shared sense of terrible/cruel. — u/scottiebbbb
  • I think it’s entirely possible that Lyra sent Lanre down his path, and was banished to her own form of immortality while never being allowed to leave the tree.
    OP's transformation mechanism: Lyra bound into the tree as immortal Cthaeh. — u/scottiebbbb
  • Maybe the Cthaeh is what Lyra became after Lanre tried to bring her back from death?
    Top comment refines the trigger: resurrection attempt transformed Lyra. — u/jculler96
  • The cthaeh certainly strikes me as having been created, not just a natural creature so a previous and alternate identity sits well with me
    Adds support: Cthaeh seems made, allowing a prior identity. — u/BranTheJoje
  • Lyra would have had to convince Lax to start the Creation War, then became one of the leaders and warriors fighting to stop him. I'm just not sure how that would fit into the narrative.
    CounterCounter: timeline forces Lyra to both start and oppose the war. — u/jmil1080
  • I don't recall Kvothe addressing the Cthaeh as female, quite the opposite. He stumbled on how he should address it and says, "Sir."
    CounterCounter: rebuts OP's premise that Kvothe addressed the Cthaeh as female. — u/GilgaMocha

Book refs: NOTW, WMF

Tier reasoning§

distinct Cthaeh-identity theory (Lyra); self-labelled tinfoil, fringe holds

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