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The Eight Cities Share a Surname — Unlocking Amyr and Adem Origins

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The eight cities are all named 'X Tariniel,' making Myr, Imre, and Ademre etymologically linked to the Amyr and Adem.

About: Myr Tariniel, The Amyr, Ademre

Also involves: Imre, Selitos, The Eight Cities

The theory§

This theory rereads the roster of the eight ancient cities — Belen, Antus, Vaeret, Tinusa, Emlen, the twin cities Murilla and Murella, and Myr Tariniel — as a list of 'City-name Tariniel' entries, treating Tariniel as a shared surname or regional identifier rather than part of one city's full name. Under this reading the destroyed city is simply 'Myr,' the Tariniel city called Myr, which reframes several names: 'Amyr' becomes 'followers of Myr' or those who come from Myr, 'Imre' becomes the successor city of the Amyr, and 'Ademre' derives from an ancient city named 'Dem.' An alternative etymology, grounded in Selitos's plea to Aleph to confound those 'who burned my beloved Myr Tariniel,' reads 'Amyr' as 'Without-Myr' — a memorial name Selitos chose so his order would never lose sight of avenging the destroyed city. Both readings note the deliberate '-re' ending shared by Imre, Ademre, and Myr's derivatives, and connect it to the suspected Amyr presence in the Archives under Lorren.

Evidence§

  • The list of all the 8 cities could be read describing these as the cities of Tariniel: Belen Tariniel, Antus Tariniel, Myr Tariniel, Etc. That means Myr is the name of the city.
    OP's core claim: Tariniel is a shared regional label, so the destroyed city is just 'Myr'. — u/Jkushner27
  • This does further support that: 1) Imre is the city of the Amyr re 2) The Amyr come from the city of Myr
    Extends naming logic to link Amyr and Imre to the city Myr. — u/Jkushner27
  • Myr: Name of an ancient namer or important person Amyr: The followers of Myr Amyre/Imre: The city of the Amyr people
    Etymological breakdown: Amyr means followers of Myr; Imre their city. — u/Jkushner27
  • Dem(Emlen?): Name of an ancient namer or important person Adem: The followers if Dem Ademre: The city of the Adem people
    Applies same pattern to derive Adem and Ademre from a city 'Dem'. — u/Jkushner27
  • When Selitos pleads with Aleph he asks for the power to "confound Lanre and his Chandrian who killed the innocent and burned *my beloved Myr Tariniel*". Because of this, I came to think as Amyr as Without-Myr.
    Alternative etymology: Amyr = 'Without-Myr', a memorial name from Selitos's plea. — u/michellanger
  • You definitely caught onto something with the places having to do with the Chandrian ending in “re”. … And it corresponds with the theory that the archives and masters - especially Lorren – have a connection to the Amyr.
    Refines: the deliberate '-re' ending and ties Amyr to Lorren/the Archives. — u/kristalykiralyno
  • How do you balance this with the fact that Imre is in Beleny Baron? I think that is more likely that Imre is built on the ruins of Belen
    CounterCounter: Imre's location in Beleny Baron suggests it sits on Belen, not Myr. — u/monskervator
  • I believe the only potential hints I've personally found point to Severen being at the location of Myr Tyraniel.
    CounterCounter: places Myr Tariniel at Severen rather than at Imre/Myr. — u/Jezer1

Book refs: NOTW

Tier reasoning§

tier verified: etymological reading is a reasonable fit, plausible

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